22 Responses to “Around the Komiks Web”

1. pao on October 26th, 2007 1:38 pm

   oo nga no.. bat nakalink yung name mo po dun sa wiki para kay carlo caparas

2. dennis on October 26th, 2007 2:09 pm

   sorry Gerry..technical mistake ito..I’ve already notified our editor in Filnet to re-direct your link to your own profile.Hopefully maayos within a few minutes :)

3. jerome dizon on October 26th, 2007 3:26 pm

   inside joke ba yan? hehehehehe

4. jose mari Lee on October 26th, 2007 8:23 pm

   Dennis V:

   Pakisabi na rin sa editor na hindi si Elpidio Torres ang artist ng Maruja, kundi si Rico Rival.

   I’m also surprised why Pablo S. Gomez’ TANIKALA (illustrated by Abe Ocampo), a serial that took the public by storm in the 70s – didn’t make the list at all.

   I’m sure Auggie has more titles to add to the best 1,000 komik serials Ever in RP :)

   Kulang kasi ang 100 lang. Ang daming magaganda na hindi nakasama.

5. auggie on October 26th, 2007 10:56 pm

   JM,

   Iba pa ba sa TANIKALANG APOY ni Pablo S,Gomez at Nestor Redondo yung TANIKALA ? mas maganda siguro yung former, ginawa pang sine yun eh….

6. auggie on October 27th, 2007 12:06 am

   Dennis,

   Maraming missing na Milestones Serials na conspicously missing, Examples: Asintado-Clodauldo del Mundo/Fred Carillo, mid 50s, Kamay ni Cain, Clodualdo del Mundo/Fred Carillo-mid 50s, Malvarosa, Clodualdo del Mundo/Fred Carrillo-mid 50s, Apat Na Anino, del Mundo/Carrillo, late 50s, Basilio Baston, del Mundo/Carrilo-early 60s, Rossa Rossini, Ravelo/ Torres,late 50s, Tanikalang Apoy, Gomez/Redondo early 60s, Handsome,Gomez/Redondo, early 60s, Alyas Palos, Redondo Brothers, late 50s, Bakas ng Gagamba, Redondo Brothers, late 50s, Lupa sa Lupa, Gomez/Redondo late 50s, Dayukdok, Gomes/Redondo, early 60s, Teen Age Crush, Redondo Brothers, late 50s, Jimmy Boy, RR Marcelino/Nestor Leonidez, late 50s, Gilda, Gomez/Redondo, late 50s, ANak ng Kidlat, Redondo Brothers,late 50s, Tatlong Baraha-Virgilio Redondo, Kapitan Tornado, Virgilio Redondo early 60s, Pretty Boy, Alfredo Alcala- early 50s, Zigzag, Redondo Brothers mid 50s, Pusakal, FV Coching, early 50s, Don Cobarde,FV Coching, early 50s,Ang Maton , FV Coching , late 50s, Condenado, FV Cochinf late 50s, Taga Sa Bato ,FV Coching, mid 50s, Berdugo, Fv Coching, early 60s, Double Cross, FV Coching early 60s, Panginoon, Gomes/Redondo early 60s, Tulisan, Gomez/Redondo, early 60s, Devlin, Ravelo/Redondo, early 60s, Yamato, Alcala late 50s, Graf Spee, Alcala, early 60s, Maharlikang Kuba, Ruben Yandoc, mid 50s, Dimasalang -Emil Rodriguez, early 60s, Sandalyas ni Zafira, Emil Rodriguez, early 50s, Ulupong, Alfrdo Alcala, early 60s, Tisoy, Severino Marcelo, early 60s, Ikabod, Severino Marcelo, mid 70s, Kalabog en Bosyo, Larry Alcala, early 50s, Tipin, Larry Alcala, mid 50s, Siopawman,Larry Alcala, early 60s

   at marami pang iba….

7. Carver on October 27th, 2007 1:50 am

   Salamat sa pag-link, Gerry. :-)

8. jose mari Lee on October 27th, 2007 5:12 am

   TANIKALA is fantasy. Smash hit in the 70s.
   About a love that was cut short when the guy died.
   After he was burried, his heart kept beating in the grave.
   It really captured the imagination of the reading public that
   people talked about this PSG creation and a lot of film producers wooed PSG to sell the rights.

   Cine Filipinas won and paid big bucks. Big name cast.
   Unfortunately, Marilou Diaz-Abaya, the director, and Edgardo Reyes, the scriptwriter, DID NOT USE ANY OF THE ORIGINAL STORY.
   They only used the names of the characters and created a totally different story, about a rape victim trying to grapple with her experience (played by Susan Roces).

   First day of showing, the theaters were jampacked. It opened in at least 30 theaters simultaneously. The word of mouth did the damage, of course. Every fan who left the theater was so disgusted. The moviegoers (who read the serial), failed to see the love story they adored. after three days of showing, the film bombed at the box office, and the producers didn’t recoup the expenses.

   Moral of the lesson: if you’re making a film version of a well-loved komiks serial, you better treat it with TLC or you will be throwing the dice and face the wrath of the komiks readers/moviegoers. A pre-sold material can be very precarious. Chances of losing your film venture is huge if you’re careless.

   What’s so romantic about this story is that: the guy’s heart beats in the grave and his voice is heard reciting poetry to his love (the guy is a poet in the story).

   A reprinting of this serial and possibly a “closer to the komiks” film version would be a good idea. We need some great fantasy work to inject some excitement to the Tagalog Film Industry.

9. Rod Samonte on October 27th, 2007 7:16 am

   Gerry,
   Panghuli ka yata sa listahan (but what a list). However, in the list of outstanding Pinoys in Deviant Art you’re number 1. Also did you know you have a picture in Image Comics: The Road to Independence (http://www.amazon.com/Image-Comics-Independence-George-Khoury/dp/1893905713/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-4327754-6557732?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193440172&sr=1-1)
   with Whilce Portacio, Leinil Yu, Edgar Tadeo, etc.
   Auggie,
   Hanep ang kaalaman mo sa mga Golden Age Pilipino komiks. Ang dami niyang nilista mo.
   Rod

10. dennis on October 27th, 2007 9:27 am

    Thanks for the additional list, Auggie. Tama ka magaganda nga yang mga binaggit mo at lahat ng yan ay kinonsider namin. But we decided to include also the later works up to the more recently published like Andong Agimat, Elmer, etc. We also considered making a representative of each genre like drama, comedy, dramedy, adventure, horror, etc. For example yung kay Coching, Ravelo, Virgilio Redondo, del Mundo, dapat halos lahat ng gawa nila ay pasok na sa Top 100 pero kulkulangin ang Top 100. We have to limit para mabigyang pansin din yung ibang creators.

11. auggie on October 28th, 2007 6:04 pm

    Dennis,

    I think you have to do a recasting dahil very constraining yung top one hundred GREATEST LIST. Consider na it was spanning several decades, kaya kulang talaga yung 100. Make it 500 at least, para maging comprehensive man lang. For guidance check out ROLLING STONE’s 1000, Greatest album of all time. Better do it, or uulanin kayo ng flak and brickbats. Sa 500, pwede mo ng i-accomodate yung fairly recent at yung mga masters. So happy lahat di ba ? win-win- situation di ba ?

    Rod,

    Kumusta ? how is the progress of the renovation ?

    JM,

    Waazuup ? kindly explain the morphing of the Cool Canadian to The Mutt …..

12. auggie on October 28th, 2007 6:07 pm

    JM,

    Sounds like a rip-off to me ( TANIKALA), Edgar Allan Poe’s TELL -TALE HEART, waddaya think ?

13. Jose Mari Lee on October 29th, 2007 12:41 am

    The idea of the heart still beating after the person dies might have triggered PSG to create something totally different. What’s more, Allan Poe’s work was more about the narrator’s guilty conscience of killing the old man.

    Tanikala was about true, undying love. But it’s possible that Allan Poe’s idea about the heart made Pablo create his own using that idea. Though his work was absolutely original. It’s not even like the case of Christopher Marlowe’s DR. FAUSTUS and Goethe’s FAUST, Obviously, Goethe lifted Dr. Faustus and created his own, only in the end, FAUST was saved, FAUSTUS was damned to hell :)

14. Robby Villabona on October 29th, 2007 1:37 am

    This isn’t a commentary on the quality of ELMER, but wouldn’t one think that to be considered one of the greatest serials, that the series should have been finished first? Again, I’m not saying ELMER does not deserve to be there because of quality — but it’s not even halfway through yet. It’s like saying “I loved MOBY DICK!” when you’re only on page 100 (personally I couldn’t get past 50).

    OTOH, I don’t agree with 500 greatest. If you make a list that large then “greatest” starts to lose its meaning.

15. auggie on October 29th, 2007 11:23 am

    Rob,

    Dapat nga 1,000 GREATEST HITS, kasi it spans the late 40s to the the late 90s I think… masyadong constraining yung 100 greatest hits, maraming mawawala. Kung pipilitin siguro iyong 100 greatest, madugo ito, kasi sino ang mga judges and jurists from the several eras ?

16. Gerry Alanguilan on October 29th, 2007 11:48 am

    Auggie, guys…

    I think that’s the thing with any “Greatest” lists. It’s always going to someone’s choices or a group of people’s choices. And not everyone is going to agree what is going to go in. If say Auggie or JM come up with their own top 100 lists, not everyone is going to agree with it either. Someone will always come in and say, why isn’t so and so in it, or why is that in there?

    Even AFI’s list of Hundred Greatest Films I don’t agree with because they don’t list movies I feel should be in there, and they have movies there I feel shouldn’t belong.

    SOMEONE has to make a list someway or another, and it’s going to be their idea of what it is.

    The only way for a list to be truly democratic is to have something like what the Internet Movie Database has going where everyone has a say on what goes on by voting for it.

    And if you look at that list… their top 100 is nothing to sneeze at, and it shows that a democratic vote will yield a really good batch of films:
    http://www.imdb.com/chart/top

    Now if someone can come up with something like that for local comics, it would be terrific!

17. dennis on October 29th, 2007 2:33 pm

    Hi Robby,
    I was the one who included Elmer in the list. I included Elmer(though unfinished yet) because I have thoroughly enjoyed the first installments, and it is most likely that I will enjoy the last ones. Gerry is a good writer so I am fairly confident he can deliver the ending in a consistent manner.
    Of course I hesitated for a moment before including it, and would have reserved a space for it later in the Top 100. But we have to come up with the list one way or the other.
    Of course, you cannot compare Elmer with Moby Dick, any more than you can compare Moby Dick with Schubert’s Unfinished Symphony. The symphony was unfinished (for some reason or another), but despite that it has been highly acclaimed as one of the Top 10 symphonies in the world. You see, you don’t have to finish a whole cake to know that it tastes great.

18. Gerry Alanguilan on October 29th, 2007 3:01 pm

    Uy Dennis, maraming salamat ha. :D

19. Robby Villabona on October 29th, 2007 4:04 pm

    Hi, Dennis,

    Obviously I’m not comparing ELMER to MOBY DICK. Just making an analogy — that you can’t judge a story to be good or bad if you haven’t read the entire thing (and in this case, the entire thing hasn’t even been written yet!). I honestly think it compromises the credibility of the list.

    I don’t know but an unfinished symphony would still give general satisfaction compared to an unfinished story. Pwede naman kasi ma-enjoy ang symphony in its component parts. The lack of 3rd and 4th movements in a symphony hardly affects the quality of the 1st and 2nd.

    A serial (or graphic novel), OTOH, is one comprehensive story. It’s terriby difficult to say a story is good simply based on the beginning, with the half the middle and the full end yet to be written.

    If you put it there because you expect Gerry to finish it well, then that’s really a judgement on the writer, not the story.

    Again, it’s not a statement on the quality of ELMER, which I also think starts out well. But there’s still a middle and ending we haven’t seen yet.

20. Robby Villabona on October 29th, 2007 5:09 pm

    Oh, and Franz Schubert is long dead. So we know there’s no chance he’ll disappoint with a bad 3rd and 4th movement in his 8th symphony.

21. dennis on October 30th, 2007 1:11 am

    Hi Robby,
    Well I still think I enjoyed Elmer despite it’s still being unfinished. I also honestly think that it should still be in the Top 100 list. The first installments alone qualifies it to be in the list.
    I don’t know, but I can enjoy an unfinished music, unfinished movie, an even an unfinished comics.
    And of course, Schubert is no longer composing..as he is already decomposing :)

22. Jose Mari Lee on October 30th, 2007 11:51 am

    Gerry:

    I’ll make THE WORST LIST of Philippine Komiks.
    Para mapaiba naman. Naku, baka MABAROG ako
    at tanghaling BANGKAY! He-he.

    Tapusin mo na kasi yang Elmer para malaman na ng lahat kung ano ang ending :)